A lot of the kids I know who went seemed to gravitate toward some sunny climate and sandy beaches and serving where the need is more fun, rather than heading for Alaska to witness to a village on the frozen tundra. They put a few hours in field service each day or ever so many days and head to the beach. Mom and Dad financed them usually and they stayed with other JW's for little or nothing. I imagine it will stay the same even though they are cutting back at H.Q.
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Effect on youths of Bethel and construction cuts
by Tornintwo ini know quite a few youths (late teens to early twenties) who have the goal of full time service, as bethelites or international construction, so they're doing the required slog of pioneering in order to achieve this goal.
this is a goal which has been excitedly set out for them the last few years or so at assemblies etc.
now they see the cuts, surely they are going to be discouraged and disillusioned.
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The NEW "Bible Teach" book
by Oubliette inthe new "bible teach" book is out!
thetruthbr has posted links for this and several other of the new publications.
as an educator, i am very interested in where the society is heading with their alleged "bible education" program.
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Pete Zahut
Either the individuals writing this material have diminished reading and comprehensive abilities or they are trying to make sure that the message is simple enough for anyone to read and understand. The trouble is, once you get past that point, there isn't any intellectual stimulation in the form of discussion or reading, to be found among the general population or in the literature of JW's. -
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The Org Gets Worse!
by The Searcher inhow sick and sanctimonious can the scumbags at brooklyn get?.
in the very last kingdom ministry ever concocted, here is what is being presented to congregations as "spiritual food":.
week starting december 28.
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Encourage all to pray for members of our worldwide brotherhood who have been affected by various trials, even mentioning them by name if possible."
Apparently the more people that pray, the more likely Jehovah will help , especially if you mention them by name. I wonder if it would be helpful to include their middle initial and mailing address. I mean, it would be a shame if he helped a worldly person named Geoffry Jackson instead of the Geoffry Jackson who really needs help right now.
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Mass disassociation pact...
by freemindfade inany takers?
we can pick a date and pull the plug?
lol .
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I think it's fairly certain that we are being watched. My concern is that by 8/8 or even by next month the word will be out and they will be expecting us (if they're still in business). Much if not all of the impact, will be lost. -
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The Borg has given up!!!!
by Crazyguy init's become obvious in the last few days that the borg is done, done giving one dime over to the membership of the organization.
they know or have been told that it's a waste of time to spend money trying to recruit new members so their cutting all out lays of money in this regard to the bone.
they will continue to spend money where they can make a prophet, keeping the ones in, not thinking and donating.
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I was under the impression that the organization would be "bucks up" after the sale of the Brooklyn properties, but it just dawned on me that they may have continued acting as a printing company long past the time when they should have joined the internet/ high tech age. They may have been nearly broke or carrying heavy debt and needed to sell the Brooklyn properties to become solvent but it may have been too little too late. Perhaps they are going for broke these days, figuring that since things are turned upside down anyway, they may as well start over, toss out a whole bunch of their unproductive ways, redundant personnel and some of the no longer relevant doctrines. -
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Overlapping generation pushed me to the brink
by Anator inhello, i haven't posted for a number of years.
i've been struggling for years of wrestling in my mind regarding the organization.
i guess the big thing for me to push me over the edge is the generation overlapping thingy.
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Pete Zahut
Their literature of old uncovers everything!! I got addicted to finding out everything of old.
It was drummed into our heads as JW's to look at (and agonize over) the origins of things.
the rejection of so many of the seemingly harmless modern day customs and beliefs, was based solely on where they originated. We were told that it didn't matter that these things morphed over time and became something completely different in our day. (ie: Throwing rice, Kids Birthday parties, Mother's day etc.)
All of that strict logic goes out the window once you point out to a JW the origins of their own flawed doctrines. They excuse these by looking at what they eventually became , rather than seeing that their entire existence was based on false premises that were established by their leaders from the past.
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Mass disassociation pact...
by freemindfade inany takers?
we can pick a date and pull the plug?
lol .
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Another twist on this would be for Disfellowshipped individuals to reaffirm their disfellowhippment by sending a Thank You card or letter. -
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where shall we go
by Sabin inyesterday i read something that hurt my heart.
at a talk given by a brother lyman swingle ( i apologize if i am stepping out of line by using this) he said "that if you leave the jw ( i find it difficult to refer to it as the truth now days) you may as well go jump off a bridge".
this i think is disgraceful talk to say to any body let alone an audience in which children are present.
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Tornintwo 7 hours ago
Pete zahut: They even say (publicly) that they are not the only ones who will survive into "the new system"
where do they say this? This is a crucial point for me..
During the Australian Royal Commission Hearings. Governing Body Member G. Jackson was asked point blank if he thought that Jehovah's Witnesses were the only ones in the world that God is directing. He said the it would be presumptious of the G.B to assume that they were the only ones being directed by God. He was in a corner and knew the negative reaction that would have occurred if he'd have been honest.
We all know that every indication is given in the literature and from the podium that JW's are the one and only true religion and everyone else is part of Babylon the Great and are being directed by Satan and will soon be destroyed by God.
If you do a search on this site, you can find the video of the hearing where he makes this statement under oath.
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On the realization you will not "live forever"
by problemaddict 2 insomething struck me last week.
i have been dealing with what i can only describe as a fear of death.
i'm not old and not in bad health.
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Then it hit me.......I never thought that. I assumed my life would never end. In fact, death was an enemy, not "real", and simply not even a possibility.
We "Born in's" never really had a chance to think about death or to grow accustomed to the concept of our own mortality on our own. Like so many other things, the subject was thrust upon us and we were told what to think and feel and were also told it would not happen to us if we moved as directed, listened and obeyed...end of discussion....no questions allowed.
When we get to middle age and begin to realize that it will indeed happen, we have to come to grips with it all at once rather than little by little over our lifetime and that's not fun.
There's a difference between being afraid of dying and being afraid of being dead. With one, you are afraid of what it is that ends up killing you and with the other you are afraid of what it's like being dead or what happens to you after you're dead.
As someone who went through that hell and has come out on the other side of it, I can say that there is nothing more freeing than coming to peace with your own mortality. I realized that most of the worrisome things we face in life are much worse when we picture them in our head, than they are when we come face to face with them and are dealing with them head on. I don't want to die any sooner than necessary, but at the same time, I have an inner sense that when the time comes, I will handle it with all the grace, dignity and style I can manage. .
My Mother was quite afraid of growing old and dying and I think that was why she was so attracted to the JW's when they came a knockin' when she was a young mother in her mid 20's. I remember her becoming quite seriously depressed and riddled with anxiety when 1975 came and went when she was 40ish and she began to realize that she may have to grow old before the end came. She suffered with this fear for a long long time. Ironically, she died in her mid 50's of Cancer and I sat by her hospital bed at the end and we talked about death and she made the comment that it really wasn't as bad as she thought it would be and how she regretted all the time she spent over the years worrying about it.
As I've gotten older, I've gotten more comfortable with not knowing and with taking a wait and see attitude and there has been a certain amount of peace that has come, in doing so.
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Major announcement, news, and video this upcoming Sunday in all kingdomhalls worldwide???
by EndofMysteries ingot a call from a relative that i should go to the meeting this sunday because something major to be announced.
(they were told it has to do with branches closing down, missionaries being sent home, etc).
i said it's probably money.
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Pete Zahut
Everything is implied and hinted at but they have learned never to say anything concrete so they have plausible deniability. If anyone makes decisions based on their hints they blame them for misinterpreting what was (wasn't) said.
"Plausible deniability" with a pinch of "cognitive estrangement" on the part of the leaders, combined with "suspended disbelief" on the part of the followers, has been the mainstay of the JW religion (and many others come to think of it.)